EMBRYOS AND FOETUSES HAVE RIGHTS BECAUSE JOHN PACE SAYS SO

Mr John Pace wrote a response to an article of mine that was also published in an abridged version in The Times of Malta on January 16 (physical edition) but somehow did not make it to the online version. Apparently the editor chose “Life alone has no rights” as the heading, which, while factually true, is not the heading I submitted. This makes Mr Pace’s criticism of the title at best inconsequential, but I will address his concern (as well as the rest of his response) below.

Mr Pace says that the “unbelievable title” is a “defiant disrespect of life inspired by another faith extolling the culture of death”. I suppose Mr Pace eats, and he eats plant or animal food that were once alive before they were killed to end up on his plate. So even though I did not choose the title myself, it is still factually true that life alone has no rights, otherwise Mr Pace would have to renounce eating any living beings or things. And what would he eat then, sand? To be rational, factual, logical and non-hypocritical, Mr Pace would have to concede that far from extolling a “culture of death”, the claim that “life in itself has no rights” is a claim that even he subscribes to if he thinks about it. This is confirmed by the simple fact that he eats.

Mr Pace says that my “misleading philosophical arguments” are motivated by a “pro-abortion agenda”. My agenda is the truth. Rather than assuming an agenda, Mr Pace would have done better to point out my “misleading philosophical arguments” and refute them with his own rational philosophical arguments. In the few instances where he tries, he fails miserably, and his response mainly consists of assertions that are not backed by any sort of argument or evidence.

Pace says that I “reluctantly” concede as a reasonable claim the scientifically confirmed fact that human life starts at conception. I wonder how he got the impression that I “concede” this “reluctantly”, when I could have simply chosen not to mention the fact. In my original article I argued how non-sentient non-conscious foetuses that do not yet even know they exist let alone have interests, cannot have rights. Mr Pace fails to address any of my points and simply resorts to blanket assertions and prejudicial and at times slanderous claims.

Mr Pace says that my claim that “life is an insufficient attribute for assigning rights, otherwise killing plants would be murder” is tantamount to “deviously (equating) different levels and functional purposes of life to justify (my) theory”. But of course, he fails to address the salient point, which is that rights are only relevant to beings that can be aware of their existence. His prejudice makes him mistake rational arguments for deviancy. He would have done better to explain how beings that have no awareness at all can have interests, and therefore rights. His so called “levels” and “functional purposes” are irrelevant until he defines them and argues for their relevance himself. He does not even attempt to, since he apparently believes that faith-based assertions do not require argument or evidence.

Mr Pace says that “without saying why, (I assert) dogmatically that pre-conscious, pre-sentient beings with no interests, have no rights” and that “rights should be ‘granted’ only to individuals who can appreciate them by being conscious, sentient and having an experiential welfare”, and he mistakes this claim (which he again fails to address with his own arguments) as saying that “rights are granted by someone under certain conditions like awards for merit”. It is a fact that either one has rights, or one doesn’t. It is also a fact that rights only apply to individuals to whom those rights are beneficial and matter.  It is a further fact that pre-sentient and pre-conscious foetuses do not even know they exist let alone have an experiential welfare. Subsequently it is a fact that it would be irrational to believe that beings or things who do not have an individual experiential welfare have any rights. Far from making assertions “without saying why”, I have, in the limited space available (there is enough philosophical literature to read if anyone is interested), given a sufficient indication as to why beings or things without an experiential welfare cannot have rights. This is not dogma, dear Mr Pace. This is a reasoned argument leading to a conclusion that may be changed given sufficient arguments and evidence to the contrary. You can’t blame me for your failure to provide any.

Mr Pace says that my “superficial thinking is blind to the fact that if something lives it has an intrinsic right to live and act according to its nature”. Again, Mr Pace’s own superficial thinking makes him once again overlook the fact that if anything that lives has an intrinsic right to live, we wouldn't be morally permitted to eat anything. Mr Pace’s lack of logic and failure of critical thinking mistakes my own reasoned and evidence based arguments as “superficial”, when if he stops to think for a moment and sheds his prejudice and indoctrination, he would notice the obvious contradictions in his thoughts and assertions.

Mr Pace goes on to say that I “(seem) to be unaware that all life on earth, especially human life, has a valuable purpose within an interdependent global system”.  And yet, he fails to even mention the purpose, who gives it, and why it is special in the case of humans. I would have loved to read what he makes of this, but alas, Mr Pace is only fond of dogmatic assertions lacking any arguments or evidence.

Mr Pace then says that I “unreasonably (decided) that just because (a foetus at 24-28 weeks of gestation) is not yet aware, that wonderful human being has no rights” and that “I brazenly (declare) that potential does not give it rights”, and that I ignore “its great maturity-value” that “demands preservation”. He dismisses my argument that since consciousness starts at 24 to 28 weeks of gestation, a human embryo before that time "is not even aware it exists and has only the potential of developing into a person with interests and, therefore, rights” as an arbitrary unreasonable decision of mine, when it is a conclusion I (and several philosophers) reached through reasoned philosophical arguments that Mr Pace evidently never encountered before. Mr Pace must think I am the originator of this kind of reasoning. No, Mr Pace, I'm just a humble avid reader of philosophy. Mr Pace yet again, fails to give even one argument against my conclusion, and instead throws about unsupported and irrelevant claims of “maturity value” (whatever that means) and asserts dogmatically without argument that foetuses “demand preservation”.

Mr Pace then goes on to ignore completely my interests-based rights view and prejudicially attributes to me a “dangerous reasoning” out of “utilitarian reasons”. The article that Mr Pace replies to, for anyone paying attention, makes it abundantly clear that I subscribe to a rights-based interests view that is clearly Deontological, not Utilitarian. But I suppose Mr Pace wouldn’t know the difference.

Mr Pace takes me to task because, he says, to me “an embryo’s specifically human DNA does not entitle it to rights” and he says that this “blatantly dehumanizes the early embryo to demean its life as insignificant and its death as unimportant. I have already shown how DNA is not a sufficient attribute for having rights, and that DNA is just a “code” for building and maintaining bodies, so I won’t repeat myself here. It is up to Mr Pace to show, with evidence based arguments, how human DNA gives one rights, without resorting to the circular question-begging argument that human DNA gives foetuses rights because it is human DNA. Mr Pace has all the work ahead of him. As for a foetus’ death being “unimportant”, it is a fact that death does not matter to beings who are not even aware of their existence. It is only to the prospective parents of the said foetus that its death may matter. This is not just opinion. One would have to throw all logic out of the window to believe otherwise.

Mr Pace then completely misrepresents what I wrote, and says that “against all reason, (I argue) that claiming an embryo’s humanity as an argument for attributing rights to it would justify granting rights to each spermatozoon which is also a human being”.  Mr Pace creates a straw man, and beats it by saying that “quite unscientifically, (I) deviously (equate) the whole human being with a cell component”.  Of course, I did no such thing, and the deviancy is his own.

What I actually wrote was that by Ms Zammit’s (the person I was replying to in my original article) own criteria (having rights because a being has human DNA or that a being is human) one would have to conclude that even sperm have rights because sperm does have human DNA, and human sperm is self-evidently human; and that the potentiality argument is no argument at all since even sperm has the potential to become a born human being. Mr Pace either fails to get the point, or deviously creates a straw man because of his failure to debunk my own true argument.

Mr Pace’s intellectual deficiency makes him mistake the reasoned arguments in my original article for “preposterous and deceptive pseudo-philosophical arguments”. He further adds a little more dogma-inspired prejudice, including a little slander in the mix, by saying that my arguments “serve to desensitize people from their natural abhorrence of intentional killing, thus preparing them for the legal acceptance of abortion, euthanasia and eugenic killings”.

Anyone who is familiar with philosophy knows that to be intellectually honest in one's search for truth, one must question everything, including one's deeply-held beliefs and opinions. This means that even the “natural abhorrence of intentional killing” of non-sentient, non-conscious, non-aware-of-anything foetuses, if one is to be intellectually honest, must be questioned. I have provided (in my own limited space) various reasons and arguments why the “natural abhorrence” of abortion is unreasonable. Mr Pace chooses to stick to prejudices and gut feelings. As for euthanasia and eugenic killings, given that I am Pro-Choice, I do support the voluntary ending of the life of a terminally suffering patient provided that the patient asks for the termination of his own life himself. Mr Pace simply throws euthanasia in the mix without providing a single argument for or against, simply in a feeble and childish attempt at demonizing me (ad hominem fallacy). As for eugenics, being Pro-Choice, I am obviously against the termination of the life of any foetus unless it’s the decision of the pregnant woman.  This makes the eugenics issue a devious feeble attempt at character assassination (once again, the ad hominem fallacy).

Mr Pace then quotes my reasonable claim that “until it is shown why pre-conscious and pre-sentient foetuses matter, the belief that they do is just a religious belief that should not be imposed”.  From this, Mr Pace deduces that this reveals a “very dark cynical view of the values of life, reproduction, humanity and religion". He would have done better had he at least attempted to answer my challenge. But of course, Mr Pace once again fails to grasp the basic foundation of intellectually honest philosophy: question everything. Instead he chooses to confuse science with philosophy by saying that “to be scientifically correct, it is the undoubted humanity of the pluripotent fertilized ovum…that establishes the fundamental right to life at all stages of its natural development”, as if science by itself can make any moral pronouncements. Mr Pace concludes by making a final unsupported assertion without argument or evidence, saying that “a human embryo has a natural, intrinsic and inalienable right to live”. Until Mr Pace provides a reasoned philosophical argument in support of that claim, his opinions remain religion-based prejudiced dogmatic beliefs that in a secular democracy should not be imposed.


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  1. For your information, Science is a branch of Philosophy, and it establishes the
    humanity of the fertilised ovum through its DNA (which is different from the DNA of the
    ovum and that of the spermatozoon that formed it); and science also confirms
    unequivocally the fertilised ovum’s right to live through the fact that it is actually alive
    and functioning according to it’s Natural purpose of growing and developing into a
    child. Nobody can deny the human embryo the right to live its full natural life,
    Dear Mr K.C., in answer to the above paragraphs, I give you a basic philosophical
    Syllogism:
    1. Everything that lives has a natural right to live to its full potential;
    2. This embryo lives;
    3. Therefore, this embryo has a natural right to live to its full potential.
    Pease, prove to me why a living embryo has no natural right to live to its full
    potential.
    John Pace.

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    1. Dear Mr Pace

      Science is not philosophy. Science is a tool that informs philosophy. While science does establish the obvious truism that a human body is human, it tells us nothing about how beings may be treated. This requires philosophy, which shows us another truism, being that rights only apply to beings to whom those rights matter. Science then informs us that to any being lacking a sufficiently developed brain, nothing at all matters, since that being would not even be aware of its existence.

      You say that "science also confirms unequivocally the fertilised ovum’s right to live through the fact that it is actually alive and functioning according to its Natural purpose of growing and developing into a child". Science neither tells us that a fertilised ovum has a right to live, nor does it tell us anything about the supposed "purpose" of nature. Those are just two assertions you make which you state without any supporting arguments at all. Until you do provide convincing philosophical arguments to back your assertions, anyone may dismiss your claims as just your own or your religion's beliefs or opinions. You tell me that "nobody can deny the human embryo the right to live its full natural life". I just did, as I did several times before. Blanket assertions formed by prejudice or gut-feelings are not enough. You must provide your own philosophical arguments to back up your claims (as I have done in support of mine), otherwise they remain your own personal beliefs which should not be imposed on others.

      Finally your syllogism fails because it rests on a false premise.

      Premise 1 is obviously false, and that is proven by the simple fact that even you don't believe it, otherwise you wouldn't eat (which requires denying some living beings their "natural right" to live to their full potential).

      Premise 2 is obviously true, but given that the first premise is false, it is inconsequential.

      Therefore the conclusion (3) is false given that Premise 1 is evidently false.

      You then ask me to prove why a living embryo has no natural right to live to its full potential. Given that until the 24th week of gestation a foetus (or embryo before that) does not even know it exists let alone have feelings, desires or preferences, it cannot have any rights to anything, just like any other things that do not have awareness to any degree equally don't. The onus is on you to prove that despite having no interests at all, and not even knowing they exist at all, such beings or things have rights to anything at all.

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  2. Mr Cassar.
    Your "proof" is also based on an 'opinion' that a human embryo has no right because it cannot think and feel yet, though eventually it would certainly think and feel if left to its normal natural course. What is your valid motive for that idea of early human life? Don't prospective parents whose much wanted child is developing normally in utero have a right to the life of their offspring? They have a right to see their embryo continue living to its full potential and that right is in sync with that of the embryo's own right to life. If a woman does not want a baby, she is free to avoid having one; it makes no rational and natural sense for her to get pregnant only to destroy her offspring.

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    1. Mr Pace,

      It is not just an opinion that bodies and things that are not even aware of their existence, and therefore cannot even have any preferences or desires, cannot be wronged. It is a basic standard fact recognised by any philosophical school. To claim otherwise would be to deny all philosophy, which would make any philosophical debate with you useless from the start.

      Your unfamiliarity with the philosophical works on identity makes you conflate potential personhood with actual personhood. It is true that if a foetus is left to develop into a mentally aware and physically sentient being, it would eventually think and feel and have preferences and desires. That too is a truism. However, before a foetus develops into an aware and sentient being, nothing matters to it, and at that point in time it cannot be harmed. I invite you to read the article "π—£π—’π—§π—˜π—‘π—§π—œπ—”π—Ÿ 𝗔𝗗𝗔𝗠 𝗔𝗑𝗗 π—£π—’π—§π—˜π—‘π—§π—œπ—”π—Ÿ π—˜π—©π—˜" on this blog for a detailed argument against the supposed “rights” of potential persons, and for some of the absurd conclusions one would have to reach if one were to assign rights to potential persons.

      You ask me whether prospective parents whose much wanted child is developing normally in utero have a right to the life of their offspring. Of course they do. Although before attaining a sufficiently developed brain the foetus cannot have any right to continued existence because it cannot care either way since it does not yet experience anything, its parents have every right to let it develop into a sentient and conscious person, if they so choose. If a woman, on the other hand, does not want a baby, she is free to avoid having one, and if that fails for whatever reason, she is equally free to abort it provided she does so before the foetus becomes a conscious and sentient person. Beyond that point, abortion would in my opinion be only permissible if the woman’s life or health are in grave danger. Then it would be a case of choosing the lesser evil.

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  3. You have NOT answered my request yet: Please, prove to me why a living human embryo has no natural right to live when, in obvious fact, it is already exercising it's fundamental right to life by living. Your assurance (not a fool-proof argument) that a human embryo has no rights because it is still unconscious is not convincing because it falsely takes a temporary situation as a permanent one. Unfairly, you are not comparing like with like: because a human embryo will surely grow out of that temporary state, while a plant is in that state permanently. Human embryos are not permanently unconscious and have a productive future as developed human beings, but vegetables are for eating and spermatozoa are for reproduction. That's why natural existential purposes must be considered in your deliberation. If, according to you, rights are "granted", then so are purposes, and much more so because some rights, like life, are fundamental and unchallengeable..
    Your denial of any rights to early human embryos could, and probably does, open the way to their possible destruction by people who would otherwise correctly feel morally restrained from so doing. This, to me and to millions, is mentality is anti-human, anti-life and very wrong.
    Please try to understand my arguments (not just statements like some of yours) and avoid excessive , time wasting and unnecessary verbosity in your answer. Thank you.

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    1. Dear Mr Pace

      Please stop embarrassing yourself. Like I already said countless times, if anything has a right to live just by the fact that it's alive, you'd have to starve to death. If you still can't get this, you're just wasting both our time.

      Same goes if you can't grasp the concept of a body lacking an identity because it lacks a functioning brain that gives it sense perception and an awareness of the world. Lacking a functioning brain, a body cannot even care whether it exists or not. Whether you wish it to exist and become a person with interests is irrelevant.

      As for the rest, it has all already been addressed both in my original article and in my replies. If you still don't get it, perhaps you never will. So please stop recycling the same old "arguments" and start reading some philosophy. I would recommend David Boonin's "The Non-Identity Problem & The Ethics of Future People".

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    2. When all your following arguments rest on a false premise (as I have already shown), you need to revise and correct the premise and start again.

      Let me remind you that your premise was that "Everything that lives has a natural right to live to its full potential".

      You falsify your own premise by the simple act of eating.

      As for your objection that plants will remain unaware while foetuses would develop into sentient beings, non-human animals are already aware and sentient. Would you say that one infringes their right to life by killing them - a fundamental right you claim they have by the simple fact of being alive?

      I say one would, but only because they are sentient and aware, and not just because they are alive - otherwise, like I said, we would be forbidden from eating living plant food.

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  4. After our prolonged conversation, It is obvious that your mindset is hopelessly fixed in the throw-away culture of death that immorally justifies the abortion of human embryos below a certain age by considering their existential value as being no different from that of edible plants and animals.
    On my part, I find it obvious that a human embryo has a natural right to live, without interference by other humans, to its full maturity and beyond. I consider abortion-on-demand for trivial reasons is an abominable anti-life act that demeans human nature to a level worse than that of wild animals who kill only in order to stay alive.
    In view of the above, without meaning to offend you, I think it useless to continue this conversation.
    I leave you with a gentle suggestion: to continue learning about the true significance of human existence by reading different books from your usual ones. I wish you well.

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    1. After our prolonged conversation, it is more than obvious that your mindset is hopelessly fixed in your superstitions and prejudices. This is evidenced by the fact that you failed to argue your case and simply resorted to throw about blanket assertions, and when you attempted to formulate an argument through a syllogism, you used a false premise that you yourself contradict.

      In philosophical debate, it does not matter what you find obvious. One must question everything, even one’s own deeply-held beliefs and opinions. So whatever you believe, you must make a case for it through reasoned arguments, and not simply blindly accept all that one has been taught through the force of indoctrination starting from childhood – the time when minds are most impressionable. One must also keep in mind that in philosophy, one should be ready to be taken to wherever rational arguments take you. To try to construct arguments to support your preconceived ideas is a major fallacy.

      I agree with you that it is useless to continue this conversation, my reason being that despite having conversed for so long, you have, in my opinion, failed to argue your points and make a case in support of your conclusions.

      I likewise leave you with a gentle suggestion: given that I read all kinds of books, including ones that I disagree with (my library, apart from science books and philosophy books of most philosophical schools, contains several books on world religions, including Catholic ones), and only form my own opinions after having read thoroughly all points of view, I would suggest you do the same. Somehow, given that you have hardly read thoroughly my own articles which you chose to reply to, I have a feeling that you won’t. My “usual” books include books on all philosophical, religious and political views. If you think I’m missing something, I am always open on suggestions of book titles it would benefit me to read.

      Until then, this is all in the spirit of debate. No hard feelings, and I likewise wish you well.

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